Ha!
Per Faux Noise Viewers, the winner last night was.....
Ron Paul!!!!!!
Here is the segment everyone is saying Giuliani won. I'm not so sure.
What Paul says makes sense to me. What do you think?
COMMENT FROM CLIFF: I am actually really interested to know what people thought of this. Believe it or not, Ron Paul was too apologetic for...me. Yes, keepng our troops in Saudi Arabia pissed bin Laden off. I agree with Paul on that, as well as what we did in Iran in 1953 (coup).
In other words our stupid, mostly Republican-based policies (Iran Contra, Rumsfeld having a nice coffee with Saddam, funding jihadists against the Russians in Afghanistan) caused a lot of serious problems. That, however, should not make us forget that bin Laden is a mass murderer, and has killed innocent civilians not only in the U.S., but all over the globe with the flimsiest of reasoning. Somehow, Paul seemed to forget that.
Finally, let me be clear that this doesn't change the fact that on the other side of the ledger, are barbaric imbeciles like Romney, Giuliani and company who think war is good, Guantanamo is great and a comb over looked good in the eighties. (And just getting to see Helmet Hair Hannity's face when he had to keep saying Paul was winning the text voting, made watching the whole thing worth it).
But I digress. Please comment folks on the broader issue of what Ron Paul said. I am really interested in what everyone thinks.
posted by Paddy @ 8:24 AM
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5 Comments:
Can't I just get a drip of caffeine straight into my veins?
Paul was accurate in his statement about U.S. Foreign Policy. We have set ourselves up in becoming "the enemy" in the Middle East and the Republicans just can't seem to grasp that concept.
warren: the Republicans are not capable of grasping ANYTHING that might ever make sense.
I like Ron Paul - and according to the MSNBC poll on "favoribility + or -, he was the ONLY candidate during the debate that garnered a rating of over 20% (Romney) ... Ron Paul got 67% positive.
He has good ideas and he is smart. Which means he isn't slick and trashy, so he won't win.
I think that Paul had a point, but that his route would eventually lead to isolationism, which I oppose. We must be "involved" with other regions of the world, but that doesn't mean we have to invade, occupy, or plant troops in them. Especially in this day and age of long-distance warfare and the global economy. As for 9/11 and Osama, Republicans lost that war. Osama waited 6 years between attacks on US soil, and if he is equally patient then the next attack should be coming in...2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007...shit, now!
Ports? Not safe.
Food? Not safe.
Airlines? Not safe.
Nuclear material? Not safe.
Chemical plants? Not safe.
Oil profits? Safe.
Pharm profits? Safe.
Tax cuts? Safe.
Capital gains cut? Safe.
Thanks a million. Now, if Osama could just be convinced to attack a red state this time, instead of another damn blue state. Oh, and North Carolina is blue.
I agree with Warren completely. This administration has demonized the Middle East, Arabs and Muslims - even before 9/11 - and has basically refused to work toward lasting peace. The State Department is useless. And while the hypocrisy of sucking up to regimes like the Saudi's has always been there, the stark contrast of our desire for their oil and hatred of their people and religion is much more pronounced.
While our presence in the ME was never wanted or accepted, especially in the light of our no holds barred support of Israel and has contributed to attacks on our interests world-wide by extremists, we today are creating terrorists out of moderates.
Warren is correct in stating that the Republicans don't get this. And they won't while they think that dropping bombs will solve the problem of people hating us.
We have to make sure that Mitt and Rudy and their ilk never become president. They made it quite plain last night that they would expand detention and torture - quite willingly with smiles on their faces. If for one minute they think that it will engender warm feelings for us, they are sadly mistaken. I fear retaliation in the works just for Romney's comments alone.
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