When he asked what would happen to his child, the Secret Service said, "He can be sent to Child Services." Luckily, the boy found his mother and was safe.
But the citizen who practiced his free speech spent a few hours in jail before he was released.
This is a story that was just told by Matthew Rothschild on Thom Hartmann's radio show.
Increasingly, we are being intimidated into suppressing any attempt at dissent. Rothschild wrote a book about it, documenting the above incident and more.
Add that to your mental list of infringements on our freedoms. You know, the ones that are disappearing on a sickeningly regular basis.
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Thom Hartmann just announced that you can read transcripts of his interviews (the ones I've posted about) with Bruce Fein and Paul Craig Roberts on his site.
I haven't gone there yet, but that's what he just said.
Laffy, I would believe anything Thom says without proof or attribution.
Anyway, I remember that story when it first happened and was appalled then. That should have been more of warning to us. But then again hindsight is 20/20. And I'm 90/10 sure that these people will rot in the hell of their own making.
Hi Gimme,
I remember it too. Somehow, hearing it from Rothschild brought new life to it for me. And more disgust.
Yeah, pretty much anything Hartmann says can be taken to the bank.
Those of us who don't have relatives to tell us about 1939 Nazi Germany can now enjoy it first hand. Lucky us.
You shouldn't mention Nazi Germany when you're talking about Dick Cheney. It's a little know fact, that he had a relative who died in a Concentration Camp.-- His uncle fell off a guard tower.
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It is just like we are living in Nazi Germany. I actually live next to a concentration camp were people are gassed by the thousands and forced to do manual labor. It's not as bad as you would think so don't feel sorry for me. I blame Bush and Cheney for all this crap, I actually think they are behind the paper boy who throws my paper like crap. They are probably behind the milk I bought last week that went sour too. I really don't like Bush and Cheney.
Don't forget that Both of our "bush" presidents family has strong ties with the Nazi's. George W. Nincompoop's grand daddy was very well know for supporting the nazi war machine. Don't believe me? Go educate yourself and learn the truth.....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
LOVE the Thom Hartmann show! If you get a chance, read some of his books. I like Unequal Protection.
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If the secret service did a catch and release on this guy, what happened to the guy who told Cheney "go f--- yourself" on live tv?
Uh, I hate chain-y as much as the next American patriot, but ANY modern VP from Nixon on would have done the same, more or less. No real news here, but it does remind me of why I hate the b*stard so...
The sad part is that this isn't just about the U.S. anymore. This cabal and their friends behind the scenes are working to make their fascism a global corporate brand, not just an American one. "standards" of security and money exchange and lots of other things are being set to make this happen. Stop 'em now elsewhere, 'cuz it's too late here in the U.S. of A.
What BS: "What a bunch of fucking leftist bullshit. Pretty funny to see people make shit up. Wow."
You haven't a clue. These are not a left-right issues. And if you're still thinkin' *left v right" I haven't much sympathy for you. I do recommend Aricept.
Oh, and btw, I am not a 'leftist'. Further, Nobody can make this shit up. The old conservatives, Libertarians and progressive left are starting to realize they have more in common than not. And we all reject the bullshit that is the current government (repubs and dems) of the United States. We all love the Republic that was and despise the Empire that is.
Anonymous said, "Semper Fi. Fuckers."
Dontcha just love it when the chickenhawks play 'Pretend Soldier'? If 1/2 of the phony Republicans on the internet who claim to have served actually spent a minute in uniform, our military wouldn't be in such danger of breaking. Like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, however, I'm sure they had more important things to do. Like call their fellow Americans "fuckers".
What makes Bush supporters think that Bush/Cheney will not come after them? Do they think that their support will make them "safe"?
What idiots! Germany all over again.
If it wouldn't affect me, I'd just laugh my "you know what off" at all the Bushies! When they wake up (just like the German folks) it will be way too late!!!
Is it even possible to just walk up to the VP and talk with him? (reguardless of the choice of words) I know he's not guarded quite the same as potus but assumed it would still be next to impossible.
He should be careful, they might take his stuff under the new executive order!
Re: Anonymous. Really, what is there to say about brainless dirtbags like that. For some people ignorance is a religion, so I guess that was a belief-based comment.
Dopey George, Devious Dick and the BBAKs (bungling buffoons and America-killers) try to sound goofy so people won't take them seriously. That's the "slowly raise the temperature to boiling so the frogs don't notice and won't jump out of the pot" strategy. However, even the Republicans in congress are rousing from their stupor. (I mean, how many times can you listen to Alberto lie to you before you get pissed off?) Unfortunately this means that the Rove-Cheney fascistas need to act soon - look for dramatic theater in the next few months.
There are many parallels between our current situation in the US and Nazi Germany. You don't think King George believes in fascism? Check out his ancestry:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm
I hereby invoke Godwin's Law.
Cliff, keep up the good work, but please do something to get rid of these chickenshit "anonymous" freeper posters...
Tiananmen Square?
I find this story difficult to believe, mainly for the fact that no one could just walk up to Cheney. The Secret Service would never let him get that far. Shouting out of a crowd I can believe, but in that case saying something is "reprehensible" is pretty tame to be shouting from a crowd.
Cheney's inability to handle a simple criticism demonstrates just how much of a coward this five times deferred chickenhawk is.
And to brave "Anonymous" ... signing off with Semper Fi is a sure indication that your closest affiliation with the military was playing with GI Joe dolls. No Marine/member of our Armed Services would be so cowardly as to post anonymously.
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B.S. You do not even have all of the facts posted or linked. This is just trolling.
Godwin's law is a way to shut down discussions like this that are merely stating the obvious....If you haven't figured out that the Nazi parallel exists and is increasing in strength and reach, you're already dead in the head. These people are fascists; most closely resembling the Nazis of recent history. WAKE UP! This isn't a game. And the stakes are WW3 plus a fascist state.
Any way to get some sort of facts to back the story up?
I was planning to protest next sunday but called it off. I'm not risking it. Especially since I'm trying to eventually emigrate to another country, and I don't want anything to risk that. I'll protest U.S. policies from the safety of foreign soil.
When British travelers to communist China are routing their flights through Vancouver in order to feel safer, you've got a problem...
Oh my... I can't wait until 2008.
This man should be able to file suit against the secret service for violation of his civil liberties.
Of course the Bush-appointed judge who hears the case will throw it out for lack of jurisdiction or other such technicality.
Sandman .. . why wait ?
If nobody has the balls now to get rid of Bush. .. what gives you the idea that something is gonna change in 2008 ??
November 5th... must not forget November 5th...
"Oh my... I can't wait until 2008."
Me neither. I think Fred Thompson will be a great President. =:-D
The HillBilly is doomed.
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There ya go Tony, although these links are discussed in scores of articles and dozens of books, if you google (bush nazi) you get like 1.68 million hits. When I first saw the article I got over 2.5 million hits on same search. The info is out there, if you are not afraid to seek it out. Why rely on someone else's research? Research it for yourself, then not only will you know the facts, but also the disinfo and other info... the rest of the story.
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though: us policy is ghey still.
You can't 'invoke' Godwin's law, polititards. Please, stop being... so dumb.
The more I communicate with you people, the more I want to become a hermit.
I'm with you, fellow-anonymous. Fuck godwin's law. First, it doesn't mean anything. It was just a bit of snark posted about 15 years ago when the tubal interwebs were first starting up. Second, believe it or not, many comparisons to the Nazis are actually valid. Our government today is scarily similar.
It's funny how this is considered 'leftist propaganda' by some.
Something very similar happened in Huntsville, AL when Dan Quayle visited that city after a tornado blew through. He heckled Quayle when he arrived at the airport. What exactly did he do? He called him "Idiot". He was apprehended and thrown in jail. Feel free to look it up, I'm not your fact checking cous.
Anyway, does anybody remember the ol "Go F*ck Yourself Mr Cheney"?
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_told_to_go_fuck_yourself_in_Gulfport_Missi_0908.html
What happened to that guy afterwards? Oh wait, who cares? This is all leftist propaganda!
I find the nearly all these comments (coming from any number of 'sides' or 'perspectives' - e.g. the lefties, the righties) to be nauseating.
A microcosm of the current state of decline within American political discourse and the public debate.
Hopefully my generation can clean things up and re-intellectualize / rationalize public interaction with political news in specific, but the whole political system in general.
If you are 30 or older (which I'd surmise most people posting here are) you are, quite plainly, part of the problem. And it doesn't seem there is much that can be done for you. So we'll just have to wait a few ...
"If you are 30 or older (which I'd surmise most people posting here are) you are, quite plainly, part of the problem. And it doesn't seem there is much that can be done for you. So we'll just have to wait a few ..."
'It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea.' - Robert Anton Wilson
This story is about a year old. Does anyone know what ever happened with the lawsuit?
I hate this administration's management skills as much as the next guy, but comparing anything to the Nazi Party in any way is absolutely ridiculous. The reason dissent exists in this country is because people come up with radical comparisons such as Bush Administration = Nazis. The general populace needs to walk the walk instead of talk the talk if they want shit to get done. Complaining doesn't mean anything unless your congressmen hear it.
By the way, for the record, every war since the Korean War has been the fault of congress, not any administration.
Congress voluntarily GAVE UP their power to declare war and forked it over to the executive. They did it in Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq. They give the crap to the executive branch then blame Bush for the war. This is their fault MORE than Bush's. That is undeniable. They let it happen.
bush/cheney '08.
Does anybody really think they're going to just say "that was a nice run, boys" and move on? After all the work they put in?
In may, bush set it up so he stays on office in case of any sort of catastrophic event. Um... Anybody?
I think its even too late to impeach them. Shit is already going down and will continue. And its not going to be pretty either.
And if the election ends up happening, you can bet Giuliani will winn it due to rigging (just like the last election). And I don't know about you guys... But fuck that guy. He is just as shady as the cronies in office right now.
Anon, check out my post here.
I seriously hope for his sake that the exchange was filmed, so that it's not just his word against their's. I don't think this is Nazi Germany, but the Secret Service is basically going to be as fascist as you get, it's part of their job.
For quite some time now I've been thinking about the parallels between Nazi Germany and the current state of affairs with our government, but until now, I thought i was alone. Having just finished the series of historical novels by Philip Kerr, where the protagonist is a German detective from the years 1935-1949, I can see the parallels even more clearly.
Are we there yet? No way, but as another commenter stated, the "slowly raise the temperature to boiling so the frogs don't notice and won't jump out of the pot" strategy is very effective in gradually changing the course of a nation (or any opinion base). We're on our way.
Germans alive during Nazi reign will say even they don't know how everything became so crazy...it seemed that they just awoke to it one day. Slowly but surely power hungry "leaders" chip away at our civil liberties, each chip easily reasonable based on the presumptions established by the previous. Soon, you're left wondering how it got so far.
If you want another analogy, just look at how sex is treated in media today versus 50 years ago. Over many years, attitudes gradually changed, and what was inadmissable in the movies of our parents (cleavage was forbidden, so bras pushed out, not up), is nothing today...just look at reality t.v. or a favorite among teen girls, Desperate Housewives.
One of my favorite quotes is, "When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in a flag and carrying a cross," by Sinclair Lewis, I believe. How very true.
"By the way, for the record, every war since the Korean War has been the fault of congress, not any administration.
Congress voluntarily GAVE UP their power to declare war and forked it over to the executive. They did it in Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq. They give the crap to the executive branch then blame Bush for the war. This is their fault MORE than Bush's. That is undeniable. They let it happen."
How do you figure its the Congress's fault? They might be ENABLERS for letting it happen, but its not their fault. Congress may have given the President the bullets, but its the President who loaded the gun, pointed it at somebody and pulled the trigger.
Here's the fuller story from the Rocky Mountain News:
http://tinyurl.com/wwkdv
The idea that her brother would assault Cheney was equally astonishing to Marsha Semuels. Dangerous? Not her brother.
Apparently, the authorities came to the same conclusion. A month after the incident, Howards received a letter from the Eagle County District Attorney informing him all charges had been dropped, in part because the vice president didn't want to pursue the matter, and in part because, well, there was nothing to pursue.
District Attorney Mark Hulbert would later explain the original information his office had was that Howards had "pushed the vice president," but that was not the case.
"Later on, it appeared it was just essentially his disagreeing with the vice president's policies," Hulbert explained. "That's not harassment."
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anonymous: "I find the nearly all these comments (coming from any number of 'sides' or 'perspectives' - e.g. the lefties, the righties) to be nauseating."
The feeling is mutual, child. A coward who taunts people behind the name 'anonymous' is in no position to tell people that they're part of the problem. I found it particularly amusing that you grandiosely claim the privilege of "cleaning things up" without even a single word on what the problem actually is or what you plan to do about it.
I say *you* are part of the problem: an arrogant brat who styles himself the messiah of politics. Just like President Dubya. We're trying to impeach him and Vice President Faust (are you old enough to understand the literary reference here?) precisely because we don't want people like you screwing things up for the rest of us.
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Made up story about Cheney:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5083602,00.html
The Conservative Cheney family:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234725,00.html
Get over it. There's no such thing as 'lefties'. I did two tours in Iraq(oh but becuase I don't like Bush, I must be some kind of fake) and everyone I served with thought Iraq was a stupid sh1thole and didn't gave a damn about the place.
Regards, a conservative who knows that upholding values has nothing to do with upholding a political facade.
i do not beleive that story ,at present our elected leaders need to be protected from terrorist i am sure once identity was confirmed the gentelman was releasd
this is the freest country i am ashamed there are so many people hate our nation and and feels everything our government does is evil
I absolutely love how the Bush/Cheney haters see things only at eye level, and couldn't see the deeper levels of things if it was put on youtube and explained extensively.
How about this: Try some critical thinking exercises, and come up with ideas on how to leave Iraq with some sort of success, instead of leaving those poor bastards with a trainwreck. Blaming 2 people for something that was emphatically agreed upon in all levels of government, and public opinion, is an absolutely laughable insinuation, and what's more, you are fed this stuff daily, and buy it like sheep.
It also seems that you people tend to place the blame on America, more than the islamic extremists who cannot do a simple human courtesy that involves respecting your fellow man, and talking over a table. Instead, you want to treat them like animals, like wolves without brains enough to make educated decisions. You want to believe that this American movement should have came with a crystal ball. You buy into exactly what the press wants you to, and collectively kill any hope for any sort of success in freeing the people of Iraq, and helping them come together as people. They are not animals, and should be treated like any other person. They can think for themselves, and should not be shrugged off like a mentally handicapped killer. This is where the war has failed, and in due time you will all come to see that this is the simple truth.
Lastly, speaking of Nazi Germany, think about this: If the press of that time was exactly the same as it is today, would we have won that war? Would we have ever entered that war?
I am disgusted by the lack of critical thinking in this country, and the spread of the very thought processes that are spread on sites such as this. It is very disturbing at the collective "dumbing down" of the human race, and the inability to understand complicated concepts.
I am sure you can see beyond your nose, and realize the points made here.
Mark,
We have the press that we have today. Did we enter this war? You FAIL.
Anon,
Please think deeper before acting as if you have a clue. Telling me I "FAIL" is about as absurd as telling me GWB is at fault for not predicting the future, and is expected in blogs such as this. It further demonstrates my points of the eye level train of though some people have today. You pick a tiny question in a large text, label it as something that has an easy answer, and label the whole text a a failure. Thanks for providing the proof of my argument, Mr. Anonymous.
People,
In this modern world the Secret Service would detain anybody who walked up "out of the blue" to a senior official and berated them. Anyone who is willing to actually get off their ass and speak their mind to someone like Cheney - or even Hilary or Obama - is considered a possible threat by the Secret Service.
It is SO RARE in the US for a normal citizen to do something like accosting or repremanding the VP that it actually sets off alarms.
BTW - Cheney is an asshole, or at least a polyp.
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